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Spidey Answers pt. 6

October 17, 2008 | 1:00 AM | By Tom_Brevoort | In General

It may never end! More answers to your questions about Spider-Man. We’re getting into some relatively esoteric areas by this point.

>Would you ever consider if not adding Spider-girl to the 616 universe or a crossover with Spiderman, maybe a girl from the Feast center who gets adopted by May and becomes like a sister to Peter? >

I don’t think it makes sense to add Spider-Girl to the mainstream Marvel Universe—I think you would lose everything that makes that strip appealing to the audience that loves it—its supporting cast, its roster of villains, its relationships with other heroes—while at the same time being a constant and unavoidable reminder of the Peter-MJ marriage that we just took great pains to eliminate. Doing a story in which Mayday visits the past and interacts with the mainstream Marvel U would be fine, and in fact Tom DeFalco did such a story in one of the relatively-early issues of the series, somewhere in the 20s I believe. Finally, your last idea sounds very much like the short-lived Spider-Woman character that John Byrne created while he was working on AMAZING and who briefly had her own series, but that character never really caught on or gained much traction. It’s not impossible that we might try something like this again in the future, but there aren’t any plans for it right this second.

>Will we ever see Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale back on Spiderman? How about Bendis on Amazing?

Posted by poeticlife on 2008-10-08 19:16:48>

I can’t predict everything in life, but at the moment Jeph and Tim are working on CAPTAIN AMERICA: WHITE, and I’m not sure what they’re planning on doing after that. If it does involve Spider-Man, it’ll almost certainly be a special project set apart from the main book. On Brian, I don’t know that there’s any great impulse on his part to working on AMAZING at this point, since he’s got the best of all possible worlds working on ULTIMATE SPIDEY—especially since, with the thrice-monthly schedule of AMAZING at the moment, even speed-demon Bendis would be forced to work arm-in-arm with other writers, and compromise his vision of the character and the stories he could do somewhat. Again, I’d never say never, but I don’t see this happening any time soon.

>How come everyone claims the only thing changed by Mephisto was the undoing of the marriage; while Spider-man's bio on Marvel's own web page clearly states that the wiping of people's memories and the return of Harry was caused by Mephisto. >

Because nobody involved with that bio bothered to check with the folks actually working on the comic; the guys who wrote it drew their own conclusions based on what had appeared in the books. Thanks for pointing that out, by the way—I’ve since spoken to the people in our online department and gotten that bio corrected and updated. It was an error.

>Does the current BND storyline really take place a year or so after OMD, because that really mucks up the whole Secret Invasion/New Avengers timeline.

Posted by Motumbo on 2008-10-08 21:08:27>

There’s a gap of time between the end of OMD and the beginning of BND, but we haven’t said how long that gap is—I don’t think it’s anywhere near as long as a year, though. And in any case, we’re dealing with “Marvel time” here anyway, where the passage of time across different titles is never quite consistent to begin with (which is why Kitty Pryde could age five years in the time it took Franklin Richards to age three.) Long story short, the stories in AMAZING are happening “now”, and it’s a now that’s concurrent with much of what’s going on in the other books—SECRET INVASION: AMAZING SPIDER-MAN clearly gives you a timeframe for where the events of AMAZING sit against the events of SECRET INVASION, for example.

>What was wrong with Pete in the other? >

He was trapped in a weak story with too many cooks.

2>Is what anti-venom's...thingy a symbiote that a certain web-slinger could catch *wink wink*

Posted by suziepunisher on 2008-10-08 22:53:52>

We haven’t said that Anti-Venom is a symbiote—it’s certainly related to the symbiotes, sharing some characteristics with them, but also appears to be something distinctive and new. It also seems to be a part of Eddie Brock, rather that something that could move from host to host. But only time will tell for certain.

>Is there a chance to see an ongoing starring...Black Cat ? >

There’s always a chance, but no plans for it at the moment. And if we were going to launch a Black Cat ongoing series, I think we’d want to bring her back in AMAZING in a big was first, and really prime the pump for her return and spin-off.

>Attention...I'm serious here, not a 'Patsywalkerhellcatagentofinitiative' crap ... >

Dude, I don’t think there’s any call to insult HELLCAT here. As I said earlier, not every comic is for every reader. HELLCAT may not be your cup of tea, but there are other people who enjoy its quirky sensibility just fine, and it’s completely unlike anything else we’re publishing—I think it’s important for Marvel to try new things like this on a regular basis.

>2/ I'll say something now , starting with Ann Nocenti and ending with Ted Mc Keever...
I hope to have finally an answer about this.
I mean, Ann Nocenti, the magnificent writer of one of the most significant story-arcs about a Marvel character who generate a whole comic-book line from the local concurrency, Ann Nocenti then.
Ted Mc Keever, one of the most important artist of the latest century that Marvel DARE to promote with publishing the blasting ( actually it is ) 'Plastic Forks' ( I'm thinking so to THIS Mc Keever, the one who use space and close-up like no-one ).

I mean, don't be afraid to pall your readers, don't menage us -let it all go, you'll feel better after - I think that's when you're publishing 'patsywalkerhellcatagentofinitiative', that's here you disrespect them/us and me especially because I'm paranoid.


Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-10-09 04:47:56>

Um…yeah, okay—not really sure what you’re asking here. I can gather from this that you like the work of Ann Nocenti and Ted McKeever, but I’m not sure what you’d like them to do. I realize this has a lot to do with the language barrier, so believe me, I’m not making fun of you—I simply don’t know what you’re asking. Neither Ann nor Ted has worked for Marvel in quite a while—I’m not sure that anybody here even has contact information for them any longer—so I wouldn’t expect to see them working on a marvel project together any time soon.

>What would you say is BND's greatest success? >

It’s kind of a stupid and obvious thing to point to, but the fact that, so far, almost a year in, AMAZING has shipped on time each and every issue while keeping the quality high. I know that sounds like it’s damning with faint praise, but this is incredibly difficult to do on even a monthly book (as you’ve seen by the number of titles that can’t quite get a book out the door ever thirty days) and it’s exponentially harder on a series that ships three times a month. I think Steve Wacker and his team deserve some real kudos for being able to pull this off like clockwork issue after issue after issue, while at the same time integrating side-Spidey projects like the EXTRAs, ASM FAMILY and SI: AMAZING. Very difficult, but they make it look simple, so much so that I don’t think they really get the credit they deserve for it.

>What would you say is BND's greatest failure?

Posted by baxtos on 2008-10-09 11:00:15>

There was and is a learning curve to producing a series this way, with multiple writers and interweaving story threads, and we made a couple of missteps early on. There were a couple of plotlines that didn’t build smoothly from story to story, and a couple of beats that got repeated too often since they were fresh in everybody’s minds (the constant webbing malfunctions, for example.)

> Is Mephisto's deal with Peter part of a larger Mephisto War waged against the Marvel Universe? If not, seems like someone already part of the Spidey mythology could have filled the role (a supernatural Post-Death Mysterio perhaps) without all of the "deal with the devil" implications. >

No, Mephisto’s deal isn’t part of some larger story—though that might make for a cool story if it were. The rest of your question is really about second-guessing the impulses of the creators involved, to which the only real answer I can give you is, sure, it maybe could have been somebody else, but it wasn’t. I suspect JMS and Joe chose to use Mephisto rather than a more esoteric character because of the simplicity of Mephisto’s concept, and the fact that a Faustian Pact is an idea that’s easily understood by a mainstream audience. There was every expectation that there’d be some mainstream reporting on the story, and as soon as you try to explain something like “a post-death Mysterio” to that audience, their eyes glaze over.

> I'm really enjoying NWTD but was thrown off by the fact that Spidey took so many bullets and was still standing and then that Bullseye was shot in the chest while the Tracer was clearly in his hand (wasted opportunity to blow off the marksman's hand). Are there intentional, larger explanations for these happenings or should I not mind and chalk them up to No-Prize scenarios?

Posted by hamgravy on 2008-10-09 11:05:12>

Well, you know, Spidey’s a lot tougher and more durable since he got that power-up in “The Other”… ( did’ja notice what I did there?) I think you just chalk some of this up to artistic license.

Still more yet to come.

Tom B
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I already restarted my subscriptions to Spider-Man!!! You've won Mr. Brevoort. :-) :-)

Hehehe.

Actually, I wanted to personally applaud you for the enormous patience and effort in handling the 'feelings of discomfort' experienced by those that were not 100% satisfied with the OMD. (hey, I'm making an effort to be as polite as possible!! :-) )

I had already decided to return Spider-Man earlier, and much of it is thanks to your honest answers already submitted before these "Spidey-Time" posts.

I honestly hope Marvel will win back many (all is probably too optimistic??) lost Spidey-fans, and am sure much of it will have been thanks to your honest responses.

Best of luck with that crusade. :-)

I should receive my first issue as a converted BND fan next week I believe, and am looking forward to it.

Kind regards,
Zigy

Zigy - October 17, 2008 | 12:05 PM

I don't see why one can't imagine that in the process of tinkering with the fabric of the Marvel Universe, Mephisto couldn't have employed the services of an acolyte such as Quentin Beck - who in FNSM #13 made it clear he was working for an evil entity (why not Mephisto?).

Or maybe, in a yet-to-be-told story, Mysterio is the one pulling the wool over everyone's eyes regarding Spidey's secret ID.

Fetsur - October 17, 2008 | 12:05 PM

I understand the concern, but let me remind you that on Spiderman 3, Peter accidentally punches Mary Jane (one of the worst scenes included, because of the impact of a children’s hero harming a lady), not so different to the 90’s grim and gritty character and his then pregnant wife.

Makes me wonder, who considered those stories appropriate if now Peter can’t get a divorce? (please don’t answer with a simple “he was influenced by Venom suit”)

freyes2000 - October 17, 2008 | 1:05 PM

detail of your responses Mr Brevoort. I feel a lot more positive attitude towards the character and creative team than I did before you went through this excercise. I decided to switch to TPB for Spiderman when the 3 times a month schedule was announced so I actually haven't even read part one of BND yet but I'm looking forward to it.

izzatrix - October 17, 2008 | 2:05 PM

Incidentally Tom, re: notapotatoe's unintelligible questions, you're not alone and it's not like it's the first time. Remember when he told me to marry him?

Fetsur - October 17, 2008 | 3:05 PM

I veto megamile15s question for 2 reasons: It's a boring question and past the cut off date to ask.

@ izzatrix - You're going to LOVE those BND trades. At a weekly pace though, getting this comic is soooo worth it, and a low price too.

pineappleprotein - October 17, 2008 | 6:05 PM

Harveytherabbit:
Yeah, I don't understand the people posting comments such as: "I'll never read Spider-Man again, I don't want to think about it anymore and here's my 20th one thousand word essay explaining why." If they don't want to think about something "so depressing" why coming back over and over and over and over and over and over again?

doncorswhazie - October 17, 2008 | 7:05 PM

So I have some questions and comments, and I hope, maybe they might get answered. I’ve sat back and just listened, because I was sure someone else would address my concern, but I haven’t seen it. So here it is: I thought the two coolest things that happened recently were 1) May finding out about Peter/Spider-Man and 1) EVERYONE finding out about Peter/Spider-man! In the Civil War storyline, you promised that things would be changed forever—and they were! And . . . then they weren’t. I must say, I really get all your reasons for dissolving the marriage (though I don’t happen to agree), I have no problem with the Mephisto story (though I’m a believer), and I am amazed by the staggering amount of story you are putting out all the time (though I don’t really like it). (Sorry.) But I’m really bothered by the precedent of undoing one of the “major events” inside one of your Major Events. It kinda makes me wonder: how can you ever say “After this _________________ will never be the same” when editorially you feel your most important mandate is making sure everything stays the same (i.e. characters are true to their “core” etc). It seems to me the possibility of change is compelling—that’s why you use it to sell most of your books. But we have it from on high—from you—that things should and never will change. Or at least, not for long.
Like Zigy and others, I might start buying Spiderman again. I really, really admire you for taking the time to do this. I really hope my comments aren’t too confrontational. Like I said, I’m mostly concerned about the precedent this seems to set. It doesn’t seem fair to the reader to use the unmasking of Spider-Man as a plot device, and then to undo it that soon.
Even if you can’t get to this, thanks for your time. You’re a champ.

allenandsara - October 17, 2008 | 9:05 PM

coolhanddave, you are not alone. I have similar numbers in Spidey comics alone. The people that complain about our complaining, don't realize that WE ARE MARVEL'S CUSTOMERS. When Marvel ignores our wishes and throws crap stories at us, we won't buy. We have a consumer right to complain.

When Tom says that BND's biggest failure was that a couple of plot lines didn't go as smoothly as they wanted them to early on... it shows how Marvel doesn't get it. BND'S BIGGEST FAILURE WAS THAT IT PISSED OFF FANS ENOUGH TO LOSE 50% OF READERS!

Spin it all you want, but the truth is in the data. Readers continue to bail on this.

HiddenVorlon - October 18, 2008 | 9:05 AM

What makes you people(Marvel) think that it was MEPHISTO that SPIDER-MAN made a deal with when there was no SOUL involved in the deal?It sounds to me like SPIDER-MAN was TRICKED BY A TRICKSTER---possibly the African( Ashanti & Ghana ) Spider-God ANANSE/ANANSI the divine trickster,a master of disguise,deception,and illusion.He tricks Gods and Humans alike.It could also be the Cheyenne Indians Trickster WIHIO("Spider" in Cheyenne ).Because nothing about that deal sounds like MEPHISTO.To bad DC COMICS won't do the same for SUPERMAN,because SUPERMAN should be married to WONDER WOMAN or TROIA or some other Super Strong hero.

John_Holstein - October 18, 2008 | 2:05 PM

How much time do you spend on your beard?

And when might we see a Marvel Beards special, ala Zombies or Apes?


How could I get you to hire me?

captainwinkie - October 18, 2008 | 3:05 PM

Thank you for answering my post,that feel really good to be read...
First , what you're saying about Black Cat is a classical editorial point of view - the way to make the ongoing evenemential -first by sensibilising readership with starring her back ( ah...continuity ) then launching the title -,but there is other options.And one is just launch the book.
As for many other projects , it could just show that you have something particular to say with this particular book. No better no worse as anyone else. I tend to notice that author appreciate very much during the process of writing when the characters are working on 'are becoming alive' and the book too. I can say there that it 's fun too for the reader I am.
It could give the readers that the MU is also alive, and that something happen everywhere in it, that the story began ( Cortazar and Lovecraft used this very much in their stories ) and it's still up to us to jump on the train or not.
Being promotionnal is a way, not being too much also.
The real problem is to put something in it and I must say that I think really that Tommy would be fantastic on such a character - David Lapham too .

Yes, I really like the work of Ann Nocenti and the art of Ted Mc Keever.
I believe that Mc Keever wanted to do SpiderMan since a longtime, searching on a web I saw one cover or two, that I appreciate a lot. It can astonish some readers if they see wich covers I'm thinking of, as the editorial staff ( I'm not an agent ) probably also; and I have always claimed my worshipping of Nocenti run on DD with John Romita Jr.
I don't know what readers are asking exactly, been out for a while and didn't read all the posts, but I guess that the formula 'nothing never will be the same anymore' has a meaning, and I barely think that this creative team is the best to make SpiderMan stepping in the adult age, as a character and as a title .

notapotatoe - October 18, 2008 | 4:05 PM

Thanks for the response. I did know you were going to go THERE with your Other quip and it was appreciated.

I can also sympathize with the fine line Joe was treading when he wanted to go for something as iconic as a Faustian Pact but not have it translate into "A Deal with the Devil." I'm sure trying to explain to reporters that the evil, red, man with fangs who wanted to cheat God out the sacrament of marriage was not in fact THE Devil but a lesser demon of a hell-like netherworld was plenty complicated in its own right.

hamgravy - October 18, 2008 | 8:05 PM

I know this was a topic of a previous thread but I have to say that I don't think that Spider-Man has been about YOUTH as a central theme. Directly related to his "power/responsibility" motto, Spider-Man has always been about Resilience. In relationship to Modern Life, Superman is an idealist who flies above the city, Batman is a pessimist who strategizes from the shadows, The Hulk is an anarchist who SMASHes, and Spidey is a realist, an everyman who swings and suffers the slings and arrows of everyday life with humor and buoyancy but with little hope of reward. One of the most iconic Spidey images is him hoisting that giant piece of machinery over his head in issue 33 in order to save Aunt May's life (back to the future in 1966 no less). A single man with the power of ten overcoming great odds out of love. Furthermore, for every victory Spidey has had Pete loses in some way and vice versa (win the fight, lose the rent) but he keeps on going. One of my favorite Spidey stories is Web #2 in which Kingpin watches Spidey fight The Vulturions but try to preserve Aunt May's birthday present in the process. He is astounded and so is the reader and no other hero can fill that role. With OMD, both Pete and Spider-Man lose. He's regained his youth but traded his experience and sold his soul in the process.

hamgravy - October 18, 2008 | 8:05 PM

I seem to have lost a post but I wanted to thank Tom for the response.

The Other reference was expected and appreciated.

Otherwise, I was sympathetic to Joe Q's plight of wanting to tell a universal story but sympathize with the double-edged sword of using a Faustian Pact but being burnt by having to utilize an evil red man with fangs who rules a hell-like underworld and looks to cheat God out of the sacrament of marriage but might be mistaken for THE Devil.

If my original post pops up, please use that one.

hamgravy - October 18, 2008 | 8:05 PM

What stories that were just written since Jan. would have worked only with an unmarried spiderman?

greatunraveling - October 18, 2008 | 9:05 PM

Tom,

can you tell us how Gwen was meant to return and what the plans were going to be for her?
I'm glad she didn't and thanks for convincing the others but it's still intriguing to think you were close to doing it.

eamonmcgrane - October 19, 2008 | 9:05 PM

Hey Tom,

Honestly, I don't read Ghost Rider, but I did see the movie. In it, after Johnny made a deal with Mephisto to save his father, he was killed anyway. When I first read OMD, I thought, "OK, this could be interesting for Peter. Afterall, it didn't work out so well for Johnny Blaze." But it seems that Peter gets to be happy with no memory of the deal, while Johnny lives his life burdened by it. Is there or will there be an explanation as to why Peter gets away with it?

challenger_15 - October 19, 2008 | 9:05 PM

ejulp, David LaFuente is drawing this month's Ultimate Spider-Man Annual #3.

Fetsur - October 20, 2008 | 4:05 PM

">What was wrong with Pete in the other? >

He was trapped in a weak story with too many cooks."

Genius. Well done Tom, for all the thorough and very patient answers you've given in this Q&A. Personally, whilst I think OMD sucked, I understand it was a necessary evil. I'm enjoying BND a lot, though I do think the thrice-monthly schedule can make things seem rather rushed from issue to issue. Here is a Q:

Would Marvel consider making ASM a bi-monthly book? Or would the revenue from the third title be *so* badly missed as to render it unworkable? I just think sometimes the stories could do with some room to breathe, within the issues themselves and the wider context of the title.

On another topic: I see coolhanddave keeps telling everyone he's finished, but not actually leaving the board. Come on Dave, don't go! Stick it out, you can learn to love again.

Moorish - October 21, 2008 | 11:05 AM
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