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One problem with Hulk movies so far is that they haven't gotten Banner right. Leterrier's Hulk lacked any emotional connection with Banner; Hulk never came about due to any actual emotional response on Banner's part. Banner would just get placed in a tense situation and transform once the scene demanded it, whether or not it resonated with the emotional state of the character. A lot of the joy of watching the Hulk rampage through bad guys is because of Banner; Banner is the little guy we identify with, who gets bullied and pushed around and stepped on by people who think he'll just lie down and take it. One of the key moments in a Hulk-out is that Banner has to get angry BEFORE the Hulk shows up. We need to see BANNER angry, because then when the Hulk is laying the smackdown on the bad guys, we'll be a little more aware that this is BANNER'S revenge, that Banner and Hulk are the same person, not two separate people (no matter how much Banner tries to convince himself otherwise), and that this is Banner's way of standing up for himself, and not just him being pushed around by another bully who happens to be big and green stealing his body for a bit. In Leterrier and Norton's version, it was simply a biological fact that any time Banner's pulse rose, his eyes turned green and that was it. Banner never seemed terribly upset leading up to ANY of his transformations. I understand that fear also triggers the Hulk, but if you rely SOLELY on that motivation for EVERY Hulkout in the movie, then you're taking away the heart of what makes Hulk popular.

Ang Lee's Hulk did better in that regard (best line of the movie: "What scares me the most is that when it happens, when it comes over me, when I totally lose control, I like it"), but it still doesn't really convince when it comes to the transformation. Banner goes suddenly from restrained and polite to looking like he's half drunk and half crazy, without resembling what most human beings recognize as genuine anger. When that happens, Banner doesn't come across as legitimately upset, instead the audience can't help but think that he's ALREADY not himself. The Hulk and Banner are supposed to be the same person but the film unwittingly draws a line between the two saying "this is where Banner ends and the Hulk begins and never the twain shall meet".

The success of Hulk's characterization in The Avengers is that it emphasizes how blurry the line between the two is, and that Banner's anger is something that can gather steam and become difficult to curb - in his first Hulkout, the preceding scene already firmly established that Banner feels betrayed by Widow and Fury, that he had thought they might be different but they were just like everyone else in authority; they just wanted to turn things into weapons, the same way Ross wants to turn him into one. He even gets upset enough to relate a very personal truth about how he's already attempted suicide. Then when he's struggling against the change with Widow, and cuts her off with "YOUR LIFE!?!", ask yourself: is that Banner, or the Hulk? Who just spoke there? It's not very clear, which is exactly as it should be: the Hulk is a PART of Banner, so it SHOULD be difficult to say where one ends and the other begins. Later, Banner essentially SAYS as much when he reveals his "secret" to Cap.

The best part is when, just as he's completing the change, he gives Widow a terrified look as if he's only just realized that giving in to his anger won't end well for ANYONE, like "Oh God - I'm gonna kill someone, aren't I?", but at that stage he's too far gone.

OK, well I wrote more than I intended to, but basically what I wanted to say was that if they ever do make a Hulk 2, they need to take that very important lesson from the Avengers and remember that Banner and Hulk aren't separate people, to remember that Hulk's rage doesn't come from nowhere, it comes from BANNER'S emotions, and to remember that the audience needs to be reminded that the Hulk is DANGEROUS and there's a very good reason why Banner is afraid of transforming.

There are plenty of ways you could work the next Hulk movie. The film could start with Banner  almost killing an innocent person while lashing out at, say, a mugger who picked the wrong person to mug, and then Banner resolves to go back to trying to find a cure. That could set you up for anything: he could ask his old friend Hank Pym for help if Marvel needs help setting up an Ant-Man movie. Imagine the cure going wrong and Pym trying to manage the problem by shrinking the Hulk, only to discover to his horror that shrinking him doesn't reduce his strength, and now there's a tiny Hulk loose in the city. Hulk could end up almost killing Hank, and although it all works out in the end, that could be a source of tension with Jan in future Avengers movies.

Or the cure could fail and further splinter Banner's physiology, splitting the aggressive and simple-minded Hulk into a simple and innocent (but temperamental) Green Hulk and an intelligent but ruthless Grey Hulk.

Or the innocent person that Hulk almost kills could be his cousin Jennifer Walters, and she needs a transfusion.

Loads of ways you could spin a Hulk sequel.

i rewatched it for maybe the first time on dvd, and holy crap, yes!  wouldn't happen in a billion years, but i wish so bad they would get back norton, tyler, and hurt, plus leterrier to direct. 

Nov 10, 2010 -- 5:30PM, Zerglot wrote:

The next Hulk movie would have to take place after the Avengers movie, it should involve the Leader and Modok turning general Thunderbolt Ross into the Red Hulk(assuming we skip the zzzax storyline), who would be the movies central villain. Because Thor is needed to help Green Hulk take down the superior Red Hulk.

As for the Thunderbolts, the team that came before Bullseye and Venom was headed by Baron Zemo 2, a captain America villain. Im not sure, but i dont think that General Thunderbolt Ross had anything to do with the Thunderbolts headed by Zemo, i could be wrong, but i havent found any references to link them. For the most part, the Zemo Thunderbolts were mostly good guys, Songbird, Radioactive man, Atlas Mach IV, blizzard, Swordsman, ect.. Joystick turned out to be the only bad one. Osbornes Thunderbolts had the bad guys taking it over.

Please no. 

Red Hulk as a look is great and is better than Hulk's look, but as a character, he is terrible. Thunderbolt shouldn't be a hulk. It takes away the integrity of the character, and it makes Thunderbolt into a cheap villian. The great thing about Thunderbolt is that he didn't need big fist to take on Hulk. He used his mind and the fire power of  the army. He also saw Hulk as a monster. Why would he want to become a monster, too?

I don't want a Hulk 2, I want a TIH 2....

Oct 9, 2010 -- 6:55AM, electromagneticpulseman wrote:

I want another Hulk movie.

Mee to.