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Let me make a list of things I want to say here before I really go begin to torment this thread that has gone on for too long:

This is what I want to do when I read through these kinds of topic threads, on marvel vs board.

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Yeah. Take a look at this picture. As the Joker said in TDK "Madness, as you know, is like gravity. All it takes is a little..push! HEHEHAHAHAHAHEHAHAHA."

 

1- @Wolvie. Thanos IS an eternal titan of the moon of saturn. While Mentor, Starfox, and those others are the pretty good looking eternals of titan, thanos is a mutated uglier eternal born on Titan. These eternals are another race of beings, who are not the same as the earth eternals, created by Jack Kirby in the 1960s.

Thanos is indeed a mutant eternal of titan. He isn't a deviant though. Deviants are the mutants for eternals of earth. He is the outsider. The freak. THe unwanted. That's why he went mad, and followed his own course and agenda. To fall for death, killing his own mother and wiping out most of his own brethren.

 The other eternals: Sersi, Ikaris, Makkari, Zuras, etc...those are Celestial created eternals who were left to live on earth millenia ago. They are the REAL eternals, to be honest. Deviants are indeed a mutated race of eternals. Of course they are mutant eternals. Deviants are the dark side to the eternals, the morlocks, the unwanted offshoot who were also created by Celestials.

 

2- @UltraOmni. Marvel the End is not canon. Adam warlock and thanos remembering this pitiful event does not mean it is true 616. It was a dream they both had, or it was retconned into never existing. I didn't read the Thanos mini, nor do I care to. I hear its not good. and if it is, I want one of you thanos blowers to explain me why it is. The heart of the universe does not exist. Cease with your hilariously boring scripted quoting from bad comics that nobody today really cares about. You are sometimes the most one note monotone poster here. I have to ask you UltraOmni- do you really like marvel comics, or do you only love cosmic marvel.? Cosmic marvel isn't everything. Marvel has many many great characters and series. Even if Marvel Now isn't my favorite era of comics, I still like every facet of the MU generally speaking. I like Spider-man, Avengers, Cap, Xmen, Cosmic, Inhumans, FF, doc strange, Thor, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Guardians, X-force, etc. Can you say the same?

 

Feb 13, 2013 -- 8:23PM, Foxy_Shazam wrote:

Feb 13, 2013 -- 7:53PM, jaxthejester wrote:

The damage left over, and Umar's reaction, leaves this open to debate. Hulk may well have harmed more than just the planet. After all; Umar did state that she was bringing Hulk to the DD to save (the 616) "plane of existence."

And Hulk never died on panel. Nothing was presented say that he died with the rest. It's actually just the opposite; everything but Hulk died (save also Umar). This was shown when a living Hulk remained floating on a chunk of the destroyed planet right after his Gamma burst blew it up. Hulk was alive, still glowing with Gamma, and ready to bring it all back so that he could smash it again.

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Outside of that, I wouldn't read much into what She-Hulk added. Their impact did not destroy the planet; it was already being shredded by Gamma bursts before their last impact even occured. And it was already established that Hulk alone would destroy Earth with his Gamma bursts if he wasn't ported to the DD (it was actually one of the reasons he was ported off world- to save Earth). Add that there were at least 5 direct statements on panel confirming that Hulk alone would shred the Earth by himself if he ever lost it.

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That and HotM made it pretty clear that Hulk was the star player when it came to planet chomping. Red She-Hulk was just a back up singer. She was killed along with the rest after each WB Gamma Burst . Only Hulk, those he brought back, and the Godess of the realm remained alive for round 2.

I have HotM right in front of me, the planetary destruction doesn't begin until Hulk and Betty (who was amped to be Hulk's equal) begin fighting. There's no reason to assume she didn't have an equal hand in the matter.

I'm pretty sure Hulk died, unless Pak wanted it to left open to interpretation, I don't really know. But Dr. Strange says "This is the end he wants Goodbye Worldbreaker" Then you see everyone return in the ruins, this heavily implies to me that Hulk along with everyone else died.

Feb 13, 2013 -- 8:23PM, Foxy_Shazam wrote:

Feb 13, 2013 -- 7:53PM, jaxthejester wrote:

The damage left over, and Umar's reaction, leaves this open to debate. Hulk may well have harmed more than just the planet. After all; Umar did state that she was bringing Hulk to the DD to save (the 616) "plane of existence."

And Hulk never died on panel. Nothing was presented say that he died with the rest. It's actually just the opposite; everything but Hulk died (save also Umar). This was shown when a living Hulk remained floating on a chunk of the destroyed planet right after his Gamma burst blew it up. Hulk was alive, still glowing with Gamma, and ready to bring it all back so that he could smash it again.

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Outside of that, I wouldn't read much into what She-Hulk added. Their impact did not destroy the planet; it was already being shredded by Gamma bursts before their last impact even occured. And it was already established that Hulk alone would destroy Earth with his Gamma bursts if he wasn't ported to the DD (it was actually one of the reasons he was ported off world- to save Earth). Add that there were at least 5 direct statements on panel confirming that Hulk alone would shred the Earth by himself if he ever lost it.

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That and HotM made it pretty clear that Hulk was the star player when it came to planet chomping. Red She-Hulk was just a back up singer. She was killed along with the rest after each WB Gamma Burst . Only Hulk, those he brought back, and the Godess of the realm remained alive for round 2.

I have HotM right in front of me, the planetary destruction doesn't begin until Hulk and Betty (who was amped to be Hulk's equal) begin fighting. There's no reason to assume she didn't have an equal hand in the matter.

I'm pretty sure Hulk died, unless Pak wanted it to left open to interpretation, I don't really know. But Dr. Strange says "This is the end he wants Goodbye Worldbreaker" Then you see everyone return in the ruins, this heavily implies to me that Hulk along with everyone else died.

Wow. Topic jumped quite a bit. Sorry for the post delay, Foxy.

I have HotM right in front of me, the planetary destruction doesn't begin until Hulk and Betty (who was amped to be Hulk's equal) begin fighting. There's no reason to assume she didn't have an equal hand in the matter.

I didn’t say she had no hand at all; I said that their impact was not the cause the planets destruction. They impacted, then began fighting, then Hulk let loose a WB burst that blew the planet apart. I don’t factor Betty into it because Hulk could already self-replicate this feat without her being there. He didn't need Betty's help to blow a planet up. Red-She Hulk needed divine power just to hit Hulk’s levels and keep up with him.

I believe Red She Hulk was more plot material for Betty and Bruce then anything else. Could Betty have been an adding factor to that planet’s destruction? Sure. But added power from Betty wasn’t needed, it still would have been destroyed. It was already established by this point that Hulk alone could destroy a world. Which was why Umar (oddly enough), jumped in and saved the world (and, per her, the entire plane of existence) when she ported WB Hulk into the Dark Dimension. If she had not pulled him out, he would have destroyed the planet.

I'm pretty sure Hulk died, unless Pak wanted it to left open to interpretation, I don't really know.

There is no reason he would die. That’s not how Hulk’s power works. He doesn’t grow stronger and stronger, then explode and die. He gets stronger and stronger, and at very high levels he begins to emit Gamma bursts that can shred a planet. It is a power boost, not a suicide trap. There is also the fact that after the planet's explosion; only Hulk (and Umar) is left alive and floating on a part of the very planet that he just blew up. If Hulk died and the wish was bringing him back to life; then it should have brought back the whole world along with Hulk. Instead, Hulk survives and "wills" others back to life. That shows Hulk as the surviving and driving force.

And there is also printed explanation of what occurred.

The second page of The Incredible Hulks #635 specifically addresses how things play out for Hulk in the Dark Dimension:  “the green goliath finds himself in the Dark Dimension ruled by Umar, where anything the Hulk smashes is rebuilt for him to smash again.”

That’s fairly specific. Things are rebuilt “for” Hulk, not “along” with Hulk.

But Dr. Strange says "This is the end he wants Goodbye Worldbreaker" Then you see everyone return in the ruins, this heavily implies to me that Hulk along with everyone else died.

That goodbye from the Doc wasn’t a death song for Hulk. Strange said goodbye to after having a talk with Banner's "Astral" self. Strange was there to see if this was what Bruce really wanted. Bruce told the good Doc to go home without him. Hulk was going to remain off world.

Strange was saying goodbye to Banner/Hulk, as he returned back to Earth, because Hulk decided to stay in the Dark Dimension. That is in no way saying Hulk is about to die. Pak wrote WB as a mega-power upgrade. Going WB isn't a suicide move for Hulk. It's a death sentence for the planet he is standing on. With that in mind; it seemed evident to me that Strange knew Hulk would survive.

Outside of the Doc’s statement, there is also the fact that death as a consequence of growing too strong was never an idea that was even entertained on panel. Pak micro-managed Hulk and Banner's power levels. Going "suicide bomber" would have been mentioned at some point. A lot of time was spent establishing that Hulk at WB levels is a beast, not a bomb. He doesn't amp up and then die from it. He simply grows stronger. The negative byproducts of his Gamma bursts are the danger to those around him. Going WB comes with the risk of killing bystanders or popping planets. That is Pak's WB check and balance. Danger to others. It was never Pak's design to turn Hulk into a "one-shot" Gamma Bomb. That notion is actually contrary to everything Pak said about Hulk's WB mode. WB is supposed to be Hulk letting go and hitting cosmic levels of raw strength.  Pak stated that WB Hulk was Hulk on the verge of becoming a "cosmic force of nature.” Cosmic Forces of nature don't just pop and die after reaching cosmic status.

@Shamgar (sorry for misspelling of name if i did but using system that i cant see much on and cant quote)....  Both Hulk and Silver Surfer wore devices that forced them to fight so they wouldnt escape. Hulk didnt want to attack Silver Surfer and neither did Silver Surfer, but Silver Surfer was more reluctant to attack than Hulk and Hulk still defeated Silver Surfer. Hulk eventually freed himself and others and Surfer left the planet.

Feb 14, 2013 -- 3:49PM, wolvie316 wrote:

@DragynWulf Nowhere does it state that Deviants are mutant Eternals. They were both results of experiments performed by Celestials. As far as Thanos goes, he had a rare genetic anomaly giving him an unusual Deviant like appearance but he's no Deviant. Because of this rare anamolly he's referred to as a mutant among the Eternals.

I have a feeling Jason Aaron will be clearing this one up in the upcoming Thanos mini...

Well in terms with beings with power that are universal threats, those would mainly be MCE's. if that is what DW meant then yea I agree. Having power to be a universal threat is one thing, but when comparing it to characters like Thor, Hulk, Surfer, etc is something else entirely.
As far as Drax vs Thanos goes, they fought about 6-8 times and each time Thanos has owned him. Only time Drax fulfilled his goal, it was a cowardly attack from behind.