Message Boards
Doomsday & Darkseid vs Thanos & Hulk
|
|
#15
-
Posted: April 20, 2012 | 7:58 PM
This is an actual quote from Starlin in an interview with Comic Book Resources:
Starlin: That was the one exception where there some long term plotting on Thanos. Kirby had done the New Gods, which I thought was terrific. He was over at DC at the time. I came up with some things that were inspired by that. You’d think that Thanos was inspired by Darkseid, but that was not the case when I showed up. In my first Thanos drawings, if he looked like anybody, it was Metron. I had all these different gods and things I wanted to do, which became Thanos and the Titans. Roy took one look at the guy in the Metron-like chair and said : “Beef him up! If you’re going to steal one of the New Gods, at least rip off Darkseid, the really good one!”. You gotta love Roy Thomas. Here's the entire interview for those that are curious:
goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2010/0...
|
|
|
#14
-
Posted: April 19, 2012 | 9:25 PM
There was definitely a lot of inspiration from Metron in Thanos, all of his original advanced science and tech based abilities are all very Metron-esque, but a LOT of his personality (and later his look) is undeniably Darkseid. In fact as time went on he just morphed more and more into Darkseid. As for the fight, DoS Doomsday is the weak link, but the out come of that fight isn't really relevant either Thanos or Darkseid could finish Hulk/Doomsday with minimal effort. Darkseid and Thanos can be debated until the end of time, so unless Darkseid uses the full brunt of the OE (and I'm talking the actual Omega Effect, not just the Omega Beams) then it will probably just be a stalemate until they decide to team and fight all of creation.... That of course only lasts until one of them figures out their ultimate goals don't mesh; I.e Thanos just wants to kill everyone to appease Death, and Darkseid wants to subjugate everyone. Then they start to fight again, rinse and repeat.
|
|
|
#13
-
Posted: April 19, 2012 | 8:32 AM
Hard to say the winner. It doesn't appear Darkseid has access to the power of the antimatter equation anymore. For this alone I go with the Thanos/Hulk team.
Darkseid has Omega Beams but Thanos's forcefields have withstood some heavy bombardment, plus besides his own power, he draws more power from different locations (Sanctuary provides a heavy dose).
If Wonder Woman's wristbands can protect her from Darkseid's Omega Beams(several times), then I would assume so can Thanos' Forcefield....at least for one shot (minimum).
If Darkseid still posseses the antimatter equation, then Darkseid's team is near unbeatable......but he'd be using an outside source.
If Superman survived it, no doubt Thanos will. He's on another level of physical prowess than Superman. Thanos shattered Silver Surfer with just a few powerful blows. I see Superman going down with, maximum, two blows from Thanos. Darkseid has one-shotted Superman before. He should do that most of the time, when well-written. Also, I don't know if it was the help of his chair, but didn't Thanos' body withstood the distortion of reality bending around him? His body was tearing apart, he was describing the pain, and after passing through reality, he put himself back together? Now I can see Thanos and Darkseid being a bit even physically, but i still lean towards Darkseid for the raw powers and more capabilities.
Oh, yeah... in the crossover, Darkseid was able to bring down Silver Surfer with just a simple, but powerful optic blast, He used the omega Effect on a severely starving Galactus and did nothing to Galactus. While Galactus is leagues above thanos in power, if a severely weakened galactus was able to be driven away by the Godblast by Thor, by a powerful blast by Thanos, and driven away by Dr. Strange before, but withstood the full force of Darkseid's Omega Effect... now I got myself thinking. Now I can't deceide who would win. Thanos rarely ever fight physically. Darkseid held his own and even overpowered beings like Superman, who's a master brawler. Now I'm indecisive. I give it too Darkseid and Doomsday for the fact that Doomsday will eventually beat hulk and before teaming up on Thanos, Thanos will retreat if he's alone in a fight he knows he won't win.
|
|
|
#12
-
Posted: April 19, 2012 | 8:25 AM
Hard to say the winner. It doesn't appear Darkseid has access to the power of the antimatter equation anymore. For this alone I go with the Thanos/Hulk team.
Darkseid has Omega Beams but Thanos's forcefields have withstood some heavy bombardment, plus besides his own power, he draws more power from different locations (Sanctuary provides a heavy dose).
If Wonder Woman's wristbands can protect her from Darkseid's Omega Beams(several times), then I would assume so can Thanos' Forcefield....at least for one shot (minimum).
If Darkseid still posseses the antimatter equation, then Darkseid's team is near unbeatable......but he'd be using an outside source.
If Superman survived it, no doubt Thanos will. He's on another level of physical prowess than Superman. Thanos shattered Silver Surfer with just a few powerful blows. I see Superman going down with, maximum, two blows from Thanos. Darkseid has one-shotted Superman before. He should do that most of the time, when well-written. Also, I don't know if it was the help of his chair, but didn't Thanos' body withstood the distortion of reality bending around him? His body was tearing apart, he was describing the pain, and after passing through reality, he put himself back together? Now I can see Thanos and Darkseid being a bit even physically, but i still lean towards Darkseid for the raw powers and more capabilities.
|
|
|
#11
-
Posted: April 19, 2012 | 8:21 AM
Thanos was created to be Marvel's version of Darkseid.
He actually wasn't, he was inspired by the New Gods, but from what I have heard, the similarities to Darkseid were developed more because an editor recomended beefing up the character.
Starlin first created Thanos when inspired by METRON. This is why Thanos appeared somewhat trim in Iron Man #55 (his 1st appearance). Roy Thomas then told him that Thanos looked and acted more like Darkseid. This is why Thanos' bulk was severely wider on his 2nd appearance......so you can say that Metron and Darkseid are directly responsible for Thanos....besides Jack Kirby....who drew his inspiration from the world he and Lee created on the Mighty Thor.
That makes sense. I can see the wondrous explorative capabilities and curiosity of Metron in Thanos. I can see similar appearance and powers of Darkseid in Thanos. Though, Darkseid has more powers, it appears. What I don't understand, why have these all powerful people with massive range of powers, but rarely ever use half of them?
|
|
|
#10
-
Posted: April 19, 2012 | 8:17 AM
Current Hulk is reasonably smart right? Due to that fact, I think Thanos and Hulk are gonna win. Imo Thanos is also smarter and more powerful than Darkseid (except for the omega effect)
Smarter and more powerful than Darkseid? I'm not sure I can believe that. Thanos was created to be Marvel's version of Darkseid. He was created to be the Replica of Darkseid, but I don't think he's on the same power level as Darkseid. Random encounter, definitely Darkseid. if both given prep, it can go either way. Both have faced and outsmarted opponents greatly exceeding them in power. But I think Darkseid has the more raw power.
He actually wasn't, he was inspired by the New Gods, but from what I have heard, the similarities to Darkseid were developed more because an editor recomended beefing up the character.
Really? pretty pathetic, I have to say. Don't need to beef up a character by comparing them to others. I would still consider Darkseid having the raw power. But he has shown to, like Thanos, outwit more powerful opponents.
|
|
|
#9
-
Posted: April 19, 2012 | 12:28 AM
Hard to say the winner. It doesn't appear Darkseid has access to the power of the antimatter equation anymore. For this alone I go with the Thanos/Hulk team. Darkseid has Omega Beams but Thanos's forcefields have withstood some heavy bombardment, plus besides his own power, he draws more power from different locations (Sanctuary provides a heavy dose). If Wonder Woman's wristbands can protect her from Darkseid's Omega Beams(several times), then I would assume so can Thanos' Forcefield....at least for one shot (minimum). If Darkseid still posseses the antimatter equation, then Darkseid's team is near unbeatable......but he'd be using an outside source.
|
|
|
#8
-
Posted: April 19, 2012 | 12:20 AM
Thanos was created to be Marvel's version of Darkseid.
He actually wasn't, he was inspired by the New Gods, but from what I have heard, the similarities to Darkseid were developed more because an editor recomended beefing up the character.
Starlin first created Thanos when inspired by METRON. This is why Thanos appeared somewhat trim in Iron Man #55 (his 1st appearance). Roy Thomas then told him that Thanos looked and acted more like Darkseid. This is why Thanos' bulk was severely wider on his 2nd appearance......so you can say that Metron and Darkseid are directly responsible for Thanos....besides Jack Kirby....who drew his inspiration from the world he and Lee created on the Mighty Thor.
|
|
|
#7
-
Posted: April 18, 2012 | 11:34 PM
 & Thanos.
|
|
|
#6
-
Posted: April 18, 2012 | 10:42 AM
This battle could go either way. It depends on the outcome of Thanos vs Darkseid. If we are taking current versions of both I really don't know who is more powerful. Darkseid fought the JLA and did very well(after one shot K.O.ing Supes with an Omega Effect strike) and Thanos pretty much detroyed an enitire planet, Gaurdians of the Galaxy and took a cosmic cube to bring down and he wasn't even opperating on his peak levels. It would come down to who is writing the battle, either could be written to win and either way it goes it should be an epic fight. Whoever emerges from this battle would just BFR whatever brute was still left in the fight, leaning towards Doomsday over Hulk.
|
|
|
