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Who is Worthy to be able to pick up Stormbreaker or Mjolnir(Theories & Opinions)

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    #128 - Posted: May 1, 2013 | 3:12 AM

    Getting back on topic:



    I don't think that being arrogant, self centered, or self-righteous would disqualify someone from being 'worthy'. After all, Thor was not paragon of virtue by anyone's standards when he was first given the Mjolnir. I'd think it would have more to do with whatever code of honor Asgardans hold in high esteem, combined with potential of the invididual in combat, and drive to maximize that potential.



    Hence, why Wonder Woman (herself a warrior in every sense of the word) was able to claim the Hammer in MvDC. Superman, on the other hand, wants only to lay down his power and fit in. Hence, why Thor had to set aside the 'worthyness' part of the enchantment in order for Superman to wield it. (He tried to lift it again, and couldn't.)



    I think the only one that has managed based on 'worthyness' has been Dargo, Eric Masterson, Captain America , Beta Ray Bill, and Wonder Woman.  Eric Masterson's innitial charge with Mjolnir might have been an illusion, as Mjolnir was already returning to Thor. However, after being merged with Thor (even after they were seperated), if he hadn't been worthy before, the experience left him worthy.



    Also, Thor's ancestors have been able to control Thor, but that may be a weakness in the enchantment. (Odin enchanted it, and he can't stop his own father or grandfather from bypassing the enchantment. Or they are just that worthy. Hard to tell.) Similarly, Crom could command it. But he was in the seat of his own power, and Asgard hadn't come into it's own yet, so his magic was just stronger than Odin's right then.



    The spell can be bypassed in a variety of ways. Technically, in zero grav, you aren't lifting it. So Red Hulk took Thor into space and beat him with his own hammer. (Though even the gravity of the moon prevented him from lifting it.) Also, Green Hulk has grabbed Thor's hand and played the 'why are you hitting yourself?' game. Thor can hand Mjolnir to someone and again, they aren't actually lifting it, such as Superman in AvJLA


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    #127 - Posted: May 1, 2013 | 1:32 AM

    Err...oookay.


    Ah, (hopefully) back on subject.


    Captain America would be one, no?

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    #126 - Posted: March 22, 2013 | 9:46 PM

    Mar 21, 2013 -- 11:31PM, tetralord wrote:

    Been thinking a lot about GC lately.  


    He's been getting destroyed here on the boards lately and hasn't had a chance at rebuttal.


     


    Really... REALLY????? Rebuttal? He makes sexual comments towards a MINOR and you want to allow him on the boards just so he can give a rebuttal? Not gonna happen!


    Mar 21, 2013 -- 11:31PM, tetralord wrote:

    To be honest, I never saw the inappropriate posts but DW and his family were victimized by GC for sure.



    And you are not gonna see it. The ONLY reason why posters know about it is because I got tired of posters claiming the three of those posrters did nothing wrong and BLINDLY believing them that they did nothing wrong and accuse the wrong person for doing their job. It sickened me to see people defend people like them. Especially GammaCosmic.


    Mar 21, 2013 -- 11:31PM, tetralord wrote:

    That said, and again, I am not trying to defend GC in any way,,,,,just putting out a thought/opinion.



    No, that is exactly what you are doing. Defending his actions by trying to find an excuse for why he did what he did. I could care less if he was on drigs or whatever else. It was his own actions to do what he did. No one else's.


    Mar 21, 2013 -- 11:31PM, tetralord wrote:

    When all is said and done, we are all human and we all make mistakes.  GC loves the boards and that has been taken from him and there is no doubt in my mind that's a heavy burden for him right now...especially seeing the responses by fellow members he shared thoughts with.......we are all social beings and most of us crave and enjoy acceptance.  


    I just can't possibly fathom why he would post that stuff while he was in a normal state.  If he did so in that manner, then he needs to look deeply at himself and try to correct his mishaps....because they are disturbing.


    Imo, he was probably on alcohol or mj when he did what he did......he once posted a video of him under the influence and this is why I'm making the assumption.  Drugs amplify feelings and he was clearly distraught about being banned. 


    No, it doesn't make it any better, but I happen to think that I've seen a good person in GC in the past and although this is clearly his evil side, don't throw too many stones if you don't know the entire story.  


    Btw, I know you're reading this GC.....I hope you somehow send DW a heartfelt apology....as he deserves it.


    I don't know if DW would accept it.....I honestly don't know many people that would....especially given the nature of the attack.......but at least you'd have some closure if you indeed are sorry. 




    Just stop. Stop trying to make people feel sorry for him and make excuses for him. He should be in prison. Period. Anymore posts on this subject will be deleted. If you want to discuss it, then that is what PMs are for.

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    #125 - Posted: March 21, 2013 | 11:31 PM

    Mar 20, 2013 -- 6:09AM, CapeBreakerHulk wrote:


    Mar 20, 2013 -- 12:23AM, Foxy_Shazam wrote:

    I know, I'm surprised to hear that too, GC didn't seem like that type of guy. I saw Talon doing it, but he's insane.




    He turned out to be the Dorner of the Marvel boards.  Press charges.  There's been cases where people got into internet arguments and found out public information and when they say on twitter, my space, or facebook of future events that they go and look for you at those events.  My brother is a prosecutor. I would never take threats against family lightly. You should file a police report.


    Also GC claimed to be an ex con in the past, so you should definitely file a police report.


    Remember GC is the guy who wanted everyone to talk about personal information on the Hulk forum. Dragynwulf caught on and shut that down.  Everyone who put revealing info put themselves at risk. 


    A couple of things you should never put on the internet:


    1) Personal Info


    2) Pics


    3) Phone numbers


    4) Addresses


    5) Daily routines


    Too many weirdos out there. 


    DragynWulf acted accordingly. 




    Been thinking a lot about GC lately.  


    He's been getting destroyed here on the boards lately and hasn't had a chance at rebuttal.  


    To be honest, I never saw the inappropriate posts but DW and his family were victimized by GC for sure.


    That said, and again, I am not trying to defend GC in any way,,,,,just putting out a thought/opinion.


    I have lived with people that had problems with drug addictions (family members)....alcohol and otherwise.  They are not themselves when under the influence.  I had an uncle that would forget his actions from the prior day when he was physically and verbally abusive to the entire family. 


    It is not out of the question that GC was under the influence when he acted out his hatred for DW. 


    I know a corrections officer in Trenton State that told me about a guy that killed his brother in a fit of rage.  He said the brothers had been drinking and got into a fight.  The one brother ended up breaking the other's neck and his brother died in his arms.  He says that every night he passes by the guy' cell, he's on his knees praying for forgiveness.


    When all is said and done, we are all human and we all make mistakes.  GC loves the boards and that has been taken from him and there is no doubt in my mind that's a heavy burden for him right now...especially seeing the responses by fellow members he shared thoughts with.......we are all social beings and most of us crave and enjoy acceptance.  


    I just can't possibly fathom why he would post that stuff while he was in a normal state.  If he did so in that manner, then he needs to look deeply at himself and try to correct his mishaps....because they are disturbing.


    Imo, he was probably on alcohol or mj when he did what he did......he once posted a video of him under the influence and this is why I'm making the assumption.  Drugs amplify feelings and he was clearly distraught about being banned. 


    No, it doesn't make it any better, but I happen to think that I've seen a good person in GC in the past and although this is clearly his evil side, don't throw too many stones if you don't know the entire story.  


    Btw, I know you're reading this GC.....I hope you somehow send DW a heartfelt apology....as he deserves it.


    I don't know if DW would accept it.....I honestly don't know many people that would....especially given the nature of the attack.......but at least you'd have some closure if you indeed are sorry. 




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    #124 - Posted: March 21, 2013 | 9:53 PM
    Dude read your posts  you have been  basically saying if Hulk has the Hammer he's Thor and that's not the Case. My main point is for some fans of Hulk putting him in the category of people worthy of lifting it would be cool to see also watching him fly around and use the Hammer would be cool to see. As you've stated already hat would make him Thor and why would a Hulk fan like that? So how are we being to literal? And if we're so off base with what your saying ( we're not) explain what your saying. Or not doesn't matter to me I've said what i wanted to say.
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    #123 - Posted: March 21, 2013 | 8:50 PM

    You guys are being way too literal and have no concept of what I'm trying to say.

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    #122 - Posted: March 21, 2013 | 8:14 PM
    This is exactly my point. Thank you Jax. Controlling weather and throwing lightning doesn't make you Thor you have heard of Storm right?
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    #121 - Posted: March 21, 2013 | 7:43 PM

    Mar 21, 2013 -- 4:21PM, FernirWolf wrote:


    Mar 20, 2013 -- 11:29PM, Th-1 wrote:

    Fenirwulf The Hammer doesn't make you Thor. If Hulk had the Hammer he would be Hulk with Mjolnir. Same guy just with a ridiculously powerful weapon in his hand that grants him extra amps.




    Splitting hairs.  Same difference.  Whatever you want to call it.  Hulk does not control the weather, throw lightning bolts or fight with a hammer.  Thor does.





    It's also Beta Ray Bill. And it was Thunderstrike (before he died). None of them had Thor's powerset until they lifted his hammer- and doing so didn't make them Thor. Because having Thor's basic power-set isn't the defining factor (IMO) that makes you Thor.


    Thor is far more than the sum of his super powers. He is a noble warrior god. That makes him Thor, IMO, far more than weather control, lightning, or hammer swinging. Many character have had similar attack schemes.


    Hulk with Thor's hammer would be a beast. He would (should) have the same boost that Beta Ray had. He would still be Hulk. He would still heal and amp. But he would gain an incredible boost to his already insane striking power (any Class 100 with a near indestructible war hammer is going pack an extra whallop when he hits you). This version of Hulk seems rage driven and (thus far) appears to be a more primal version of Savage Hulk. As such, I don't see him having the fine-tuned power control that Beta had. IMO; Mjolnir would act more like a power gem for Hulk. He would use the Hammer's powers for striking and then for effects based in instinct. Perhaps a massive lighting blast when he lets out a raging scream. Or a hammer blast when he points it at a foe in anger.


    I don't think there would be much of a strength boost. It would be flight and striking, with some raw and primal blasting power.


    And it would only be for the short term. Hulk's not going to keep Thor's hammer. But even while he has his hammer in hand; he still remains Hulk. He is simply Hulk with Thor's power set stamped on top.


    Add that Thor had a similar effect placed on him when the world was "Hulked Out." Thor had Hulk's most basic power set stamped on top of his own.  ...but he didn't stop being Thor. Hulked out Spidey didn't stop being Spiderman. Thor remained himself. He didn't become Hulk. He was simply given a short term power boost via Hulk's gamma power set stamped on top of his own.


    That's likely what we will see with Hulk. Just a short term power set blend.

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    #120 - Posted: March 21, 2013 | 4:21 PM

    Mar 20, 2013 -- 11:29PM, Th-1 wrote:

    Fenirwulf The Hammer doesn't make you Thor. If Hulk had the Hammer he would be Hulk with Mjolnir. Same guy just with a ridiculously powerful weapon in his hand that grants him extra amps.




    Splitting hairs.  Same difference.  Whatever you want to call it.  Hulk does not control the weather, throw lightning bolts or fight with a hammer.  Thor does.

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    #119 - Posted: March 20, 2013 | 11:29 PM
    And this is the reason i never posted anything about myself on here. Just because you can have a discussion about comics with someone doesn't mean they're a stand up person.

    Fenirwulf The Hammer doesn't make you Thor. If Hulk had the Hammer he would be Hulk with Mjolnir.  Same guy just with a ridiculously powerful weapon in his hand that grants him extra amps.
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