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My opinion of why Thor comic don't sell well
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#44
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Posted: May 5, 2013 | 3:35 PM
Turning things around here. Thor God of Thunder is the best thing to happen to Thor since Loki replaced Sif's hair. What makes TGOT so awesome? The main characters are Thor, Thor and Thor so it's not the supporting cast holding things afloat here LOL. What're your thoughts?
GoT works because Aaron is finally someone capable of GETTING how the character works. He is showing us why we love Thor and what's so sympathetic about him!
What's sympathetic about Thor in GOT? How does Thor's character "work?" Cranky old Thor seems to have the most personality but the main Thor, Modern Thor seems pretty lifeless to me still. Old Thor at least shows remorse for the death of the gods and fallen Asgard. I get him. Modern Thor just seems to be on a mission and trying to finish a fight that started centuries earlier.
I think what's working is the epicness of the story, the mystery of the villian and the uniqueness of having 3 Thor's from different time periods. Fantastic art is a huge bonus too.
When I was reading the old run (The Mighty Thor) I always had the feeling, this and that is not what Thor would do or say. I had the feeling that Thor would be acting differently and although he looked like Thor, he was not himself. When I read the new stuff I get the feeling, yes, that's so typically him and he is back!!! That's why I think the series works. Sympathetic about Thor... well, for starters he is not written to be dumber than he actually is, like he used be written before. This is prolly my biggest chunk of happyness about the new title. Young Thor: He is a party animal! What would we do with our time when we were a god? Yes, drinking, parties and girls. He is most likely enjoying everything about his life and embracing his fan girls with open arms ;) I wouldn't want to see young Thor beeing reasonable, too clever and holding back with his pride. This is how I would have expected him to be in the viking age. Young and wild! Modern Thor from our time: He is somewhat the more ballanced version. Not too mindless running into trouble as young Thor. Still full of optimism, power and pride. He knows that he is not unbeatable. He cares for more than just having fun. He tries to solve the problems from his past in a more reasonable way. Modern Thor was showing empathy for those slain by Gorr, that's why he is on that mission trying to stop it now. At last old Thor: He and young Thor have the most interesting personalities. He has seen things far beyong imagination and grew somewhat wisdom blablabla. He endured all these centuries alone in fallen Asgard. Maybe he even tries to get some sense into his younger self, we'll see. Overall we can see the different facettes of Thors character thru the ages. To me the fun of having a great NEW villain and the beautiful artwork are a massive bonus as well. It's also having a good sense of humor suiting Thor's character.
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#43
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Posted: May 5, 2013 | 3:13 PM
Turning things around here. Thor God of Thunder is the best thing to happen to Thor since Loki replaced Sif's hair. What makes TGOT so awesome? The main characters are Thor, Thor and Thor so it's not the supporting cast holding things afloat here LOL. What're your thoughts?
GoT works because Aaron is finally someone capable of GETTING how the character works. He is showing us why we love Thor and what's so sympathetic about him!
What's sympathetic about Thor in GOT? How does Thor's character "work?" Cranky old Thor seems to have the most personality but the main Thor, Modern Thor seems pretty lifeless to me still. Old Thor at least shows remorse for the death of the gods and fallen Asgard. I get him. Modern Thor just seems to be on a mission and trying to finish a fight that started centuries earlier. I think what's working is the epicness of the story, the mystery of the villian and the uniqueness of having 3 Thor's from different time periods. Fantastic art is a huge bonus too.
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#42
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Posted: May 4, 2013 | 5:15 PM
Turning things around here. Thor God of Thunder is the best thing to happen to Thor since Loki replaced Sif's hair. What makes TGOT so awesome? The main characters are Thor, Thor and Thor so it's not the supporting cast holding things afloat here LOL. What're your thoughts?
GoT works because Aaron is finally someone capable of GETTING how the character works. He is showing us why we love Thor and what's so sympathetic about him! Three Thors at one time! what can be better than this? We have the eager young Thor in his wild days, the Thor of our time an my favorite: Grumpy old Thor having the mighty Beardforce for sure lol. The villain, Gorr the God Butcher is so bada$$ and evil, that I want to read it again and again. This series is pure Rock'n'Roll!!!! :D
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#41
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Posted: May 4, 2013 | 2:22 PM
Turning things around here. Thor God of Thunder is the best thing to happen to Thor since Loki replaced Sif's hair. What makes TGOT so awesome? The main characters are Thor, Thor and Thor so it's not the supporting cast holding things afloat here LOL. What're your thoughts?
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#40
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Posted: May 4, 2013 | 2:07 PM
I love Thor and think the current issues are super.
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#39
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Posted: April 28, 2013 | 8:48 PM
Makes since because fractions run was garbage.
Agreed. I knew I couldn't be the only one thinking so!! Gods, I hated this run. When I try to imagine how someone who never read one of Thor's comics would look at this character, I'd say the following reasons might be in the way. 1) In some stories he was written to be a dull warrior type of character who is hot tempered, smashing things cause he felt insulted... There was no mh... how do I put this? Warmth in his heart. 2) Because of his nature of beeing a god and although he lived among men long enough, he still seems strange and not relatable. They changed his talking, which helped to make him fit more into THIS world. They changed his costume, which made him look more like a proper warrior character (although I LOVE The old one too). He is not having anything in common with US mortals, again not relatable. These reasons put together have happened in the worst stories Thor had and for some reason other people keep that in mind instead of the good stories. WE fans know that there has been great stuff written, by great writers who captured the spirit of this fantastic character so well and when these guys were writing it, Thor made sales! Hel, he was on the THIRD or FOURTH possition here at the Marvel page for best sellers. Right behind Spider-Man and X MEN when JMS wrote him! That was a long time ago already and all that good stuff has almost been entirely ruined by Fractions entire run including Fear Itself. Why? Fear Itself was read by lots of other readers who just got shown once more that Thor sucks. That was the worst advertisement in another title ever! Fraction had no idea what this character is about. He has written him so very very VERY thick, incl. the one liner cliché of every B-fantasy movie character. His character describtion had no warmth. He had nothing in common with the Thor I fell in love. Odin was totally out of character in FI. There was no love in that father - son relationship. All these newer things showed readers a Thor that is not our Thor. And other readers seem to keep that in mind. I must say that Jason Aaron is great. This is the best thing since JMS! I hope it will last for a long time. :)
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#38
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Posted: March 6, 2013 | 8:32 AM
I think it is story line...Power levels mean nothing. Over all have him act the part of a God...He controls the storms not the hammer... Give him memories of walking along shores or battles ages past. Like high lander.... Have him recall past lessons. Have him believe in himself more and do things a god would do. Thor is one of my favorite charactors if written well....Lady sif his wife and Loki , the trickster...god of trickery not evil. I would like to see more team ups with him and Loki. However that may be asking a bit much. No matter whom the character story always comes first. Power level means nothing if it is a bad story. If I wrote Thor , I would take him back to his roots...GIve back his power to him and not his hammer.... I would still make his hammer a deadly weapon...Just not the power giver. No more picking it up and poof the power of Thor is yours.... Like some sword of thundara crap. Make him a Thunder god once again. Also god for farmers...moooooo...got milk.
Nothing in life........is free......it has a cost you never see....so pay the piper to listen please....or pay him later....but pay him you will..
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#37
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Posted: December 28, 2012 | 7:26 AM
Well, the character is one dimensional, a b-lister (at best!) and incredibly limited. That's why he doesn't sell. Having a ridiculous (and small) fanbase also doesn't help...
All fan rivalry aside, this is the truth. It's not the costume. Superman's clown outfit doesn't stop his sales. It's not the powerset. Godblasts are just a bunch of flashy lights and noise. IF you watched 4th of July fireworks every night they'd get pretty boring and forgetable. It's Thor's character that is missing. Captain America asked Stark in the Avenger's movie what he was without the suit and Tony had an answer. That's because Tony Stark has character. Take away Thor's hammer and who is he? Sure he's "a warrior born" and "for Asgard," but who is he really? I've been reading since before 337 and I still haven't figured out the whole Donald Blake thing? Are they the same guy? Two different guys? Is Blake an Odin created construct? Thor needs someone to figure him out. He needs some ungarded moments and some depth.
Indeed. The character is directionless. Not sure what Fraction was trying to do with the character. JMS at least understood the nature of the character. But I agree, who, or what, does the Thunder God stand for?
Character development is a huge factor. I loved Planet Hulk far more than WWHulk. Because Hulk's character was key. His mind set, his complex emotions, his loves and loss. It was great story telling.
And Planet Hulk actually had Hulk powered down for the majority of it (weakened by the trip through the wormhole).
Power level didn't make me dive in.
Foxy nailed it. Thor just needs a good writer who likes the character and enjoys writing him. Outside of this, just let Thor have his moments and don't job him out to second tier villains. Power level is second to story line.
I believe Jason Aaron is really addressing all those concerns. Filling us in on a young hammerless Thor every issue is a good way to start. In his long life, Thor has many stories to tell.
Agreed, using Thor from different eras makes for a much more vibrant story. Thor is essentially immortal use this in stories it makes a lot of sense. A lot of vampire stories use this premise and an immortal god can too.
Thor has so much versitility, you can write him as a superhero, a warrior god in asgard or in space. You can write him through time. The only problem I have with asgard on earth is that most of Thors best runs and best selling runs have focused a lot of the stories out of asgard. For Walt Simonsons run there were very few stories that didnt centre or at least had links to asgard. I want to see Thor ride through asgard as he used too, though maybe we will see that with young Thor. Thor also has one of the best supporting cast in comics again mainly the asgard side of things. The better runs have tried to develop these characters not used them as stereotypes of themselves.
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#36
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Posted: December 22, 2012 | 5:13 PM
I think the appeal of Thor God of Thunder is that he's being written as a god and not a superhero. There's a mythical quality in the story that seems to be the appropriate background for Thor. This is a big distinction. Is he a superhero or a mythical god? This is really the first thing a writer has to ask himself before writing the character. The whole flavor of the book changes when you switch prespectives like this. As far as characterization, the main thing is the contrast of young Thor to his older incarnations. We have the arrogant young Thor, the modern hero Thor and then Thor the elder whom we haven't really seen much of yet. Young Thor is really the only one we have seen interact much with anyone. And has been the star of the series so far.
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#35
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Posted: December 22, 2012 | 1:26 AM
Well, the character is one dimensional, a b-lister (at best!) and incredibly limited. That's why he doesn't sell. Having a ridiculous (and small) fanbase also doesn't help...
All fan rivalry aside, this is the truth. It's not the costume. Superman's clown outfit doesn't stop his sales. It's not the powerset. Godblasts are just a bunch of flashy lights and noise. IF you watched 4th of July fireworks every night they'd get pretty boring and forgetable. It's Thor's character that is missing. Captain America asked Stark in the Avenger's movie what he was without the suit and Tony had an answer. That's because Tony Stark has character. Take away Thor's hammer and who is he? Sure he's "a warrior born" and "for Asgard," but who is he really? I've been reading since before 337 and I still haven't figured out the whole Donald Blake thing? Are they the same guy? Two different guys? Is Blake an Odin created construct? Thor needs someone to figure him out. He needs some ungarded moments and some depth.
Indeed. The character is directionless. Not sure what Fraction was trying to do with the character. JMS at least understood the nature of the character. But I agree, who, or what, does the Thunder God stand for?
Character development is a huge factor. I loved Planet Hulk far more than WWHulk. Because Hulk's character was key. His mind set, his complex emotions, his loves and loss. It was great story telling.
And Planet Hulk actually had Hulk powered down for the majority of it (weakened by the trip through the wormhole).
Power level didn't make me dive in.
Foxy nailed it. Thor just needs a good writer who likes the character and enjoys writing him. Outside of this, just let Thor have his moments and don't job him out to second tier villains. Power level is second to story line.
Yeah...for people that have depth. I've never been known to be a particularly deep person. *chuckles* I agree, though. The story has to kick butt. Maybe the question any writers of Thor should ask, before beginning their writing duties is: "Okay. Why do fans of this character like him in the first place? What attracts the average Thor fan to the character?". JMS had it figured out from day one. The story, which was not strained, but just flowed so naturally...but he also understood, it seemed, what Stan intended when he created the character in the first place. "Who could be stronger than the Hulk? Who could be smarter than Mr Fantansic?" Those are qualities that were inherent in the character from his inception. Some have been able to touch on it. Some, not so much. Thor: God of Thunder looks promising. See where that goes.
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