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Go watch ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN or TEEN TITANS. Comics change all the time.

Back in the 40s, heroes were able to balance being heroes, having personal lives, careers, and maybe being part of a team. During the 60s, Stan Lee a.k.a. the greatest comic book writer made them more complex. During the 80s, Alan Moore and Frank Miller-out of jealousy that they will never be as good as Stan-made them psychotic anti-heroes that were just as bad as their enemies. The 90s were extreme though the story became just as/more important as the art.

There ae heroes like Luke Cage and Green Arrow that will kill as a last resort.

CIVIL WAR talked about security vs. freedom. During the story the registered heroes became drunk on their power, preached about super-heroes should be helod accountable for what they did but made it clear that they were above the law. Iron Man even had the Green Goblin attack an Atlantean ambassador just to scare everyone into accsepting the SHRA.

"The Initiative" was about heroes becoming Big Brother's enforcers. Iron Man put Henry peter Gyrich-a guy who has crossed the line so many times that Cap should have killed him-and a Skrull pretending to be Hank Pym-the scary thing is the real Pym would have done what he did-terrorizing younger less experienced heroes into becoming Stark's foot soldiers.

"Dark Reign" was about the villains taking over by using Stark's tactics. Exploiting a crisis to become heroes while the real heroes were branded as villains.

AVX was just like CIVIL WAR with Cyclops becoming frunk on his power and becoming racist towards non mutants.

Jul 10, 2012 -- 2:59PM, theacousticrazor wrote:

Jun 15, 2012 -- 7:59PM, nardvoris wrote:

I smell a troll in these parts...

How many Deadpool comics have you actually read? Because with the statements you said above it's clear to me you haven't read many, if any at all. It's like you opened a pack of marvel trading cards from the early 1994 and saw dp was a villian, then years later found out he's got a big fan base and cried, "heresy! Thats not my marvel."

Love him or hate him, you should actually read some dp comics before you start bad mouthing him.

Tell you what:  YOU buy them and send them to me.  Deal?  Since they are so incredible.  

I find your comment really screwwy.  A 'troll'?  While you are correct, that I have not had my nose in every issue of Secret Wars, Civil War, and every issue of four major titles including deadpool reaching back to the last 10 years, that means one thing:  I'm an adult with life!

I suggest that before you start calling someone a 'troll' you realize that distinction.  I'm simply a voice telling you:  with stories like Deadpool, Marvel has forgotten their real market -- young people who need to see right and wrong.  Unfortunately they are now addicted to the market like you -- 16 and up into mid 20s who have plenty of money and need comics as a form of therapy.  

You calling me a 'troll'?  Pffth.  So off.

Saying that 16+ comic readers are only reading as some form of self-therapy is pretty troll-ish for a guy who's not being a troll.  I hope you realize that, yourself Mr. High n Mighty.  I've been a fan of pro football since I was 14 (many others I know started much younger), so in effect its a childish endevour I still follow as an adult (grown men playing a GAME).  Yet society at large says thats not immature, but that I still enjoy comics, which have matured just as much as the audience has with its subject matter, is immature on my part.  Frankly, I call BS on this whole arguement.  You don't like gritty action comics with questionable morals, ok fine.  Dont read them, but don't get on your high horse and tell others what they can or cannot enjoy, yknow what kind of a person does that?  A fascist.

Jul 15, 2012 -- 7:19AM, Cosmo811 wrote:

If you don't like it then don't read it. Nobody is forcing you too. You can still read the 'originals' like Spider-man. I think it's a good thing that comics have become a lot more complex these days, although I'm not a fan of the fact that there's no clear timeline so it's impossible to know which comics take place when.

QFT if you don't like the book say so with your wallet.

Jul 10, 2012 -- 2:59PM, theacousticrazor wrote:

Jun 15, 2012 -- 7:59PM, nardvoris wrote:

I smell a troll in these parts...

How many Deadpool comics have you actually read? Because with the statements you said above it's clear to me you haven't read many, if any at all. It's like you opened a pack of marvel trading cards from the early 1994 and saw dp was a villian, then years later found out he's got a big fan base and cried, "heresy! Thats not my marvel."

Love him or hate him, you should actually read some dp comics before you start bad mouthing him.

Tell you what:  YOU buy them and send them to me.  Deal?  Since they are so incredible.  

I find your comment really screwwy.  A 'troll'?  While you are correct, that I have not had my nose in every issue of Secret Wars, Civil War, and every issue of four major titles including deadpool reaching back to the last 10 years, that means one thing:  I'm an adult with life!

I suggest that before you start calling someone a 'troll' you realize that distinction.  I'm simply a voice telling you:  with stories like Deadpool, Marvel has forgotten their real market -- young people who need to see right and wrong.  Unfortunately they are now addicted to the market like you -- 16 and up into mid 20s who have plenty of money and need comics as a form of therapy.  

You calling me a 'troll'?  Pffth.  So off.

LOL

If you don't like it then don't read it. Nobody is forcing you too. You can still read the 'originals' like Spider-man. I think it's a good thing that comics have become a lot more complex these days, although I'm not a fan of the fact that there's no clear timeline so it's impossible to know which comics take place when.